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    Episode 10x08 "The World Before" Q & A

    From the spoiler ninjas -

    Y'all ready for the last Q&A of the year? (and the decade?!) Big thanks to our source for all the help with these fabulous Q&A's!! Here we go!!!

    1. What happens with walker Siddiq?


    Rosita showing up at Siddiq's door, right before Dante stabs dead Siddiq in the head is the opening scene of the episode. While they are talking at the door, Rosita seems to hear growls coming from the inside and becomes suspicious. When Dante picks up on that, he reveals that he has a knife. Rosita puts baby Coco in a bathtub, and they get into a fight. Dante overpowers Rosita at first, but she manages to stab him, goes to kill walker Siddiq just in time before he reaches baby Coco in the bathtub, comes back to knock Dante out cold.

    2. How is Dante dealt with? What prompts Daryl to punch him? How does he die?

    Daryl's punch is the opening scene of the aftermath of Q1. Since the punch is the very first shot, we don't see why Daryl throws it. He then says, "I hope that hurts." Dante tells them how the plan was to encourage their paranoia about the Whisperers. He is shown to be responsible for the Silence The Whispers graffiti, the undrinkable water, and Cheryl's death (he suffocated her with a pillow). Later on, Gabriel goes to his cell, gives him a whole speech on how people maybe don't deserve a second chance but sometimes get one anyway, and very unexpectedly stabs him, many many times to death.

    3. What happened to Lydia? Does she return to Alexandria or her mother?

    We don't see Lydia in this episode.

    4. Does Daryl know what happened with Carol & Lydia? What is his reaction?

    Daryl is incredibly supportive of Carol. I found it interesting that Daryl is the one telling Carol how Lydia's being there protects them, and Carol is the one telling Daryl that that shouldn't be Lydia's only function to them. There is no specific mention of what happened with Carol going against Daryl's wishes.

    5. Does Aaron say anything to anyone about Gamma/Mary?

    Yes, he does tell the group that they have been meeting, that the baby Connie saved is her nephew, and he takes them to where Mary says the horde is.

    6. What prompts the group of Daryl, Carol, Aaron, Connie, Jerry, Kelly and Magna to be out and about?

    First, to go and check out where Gamma says the horde is. Second, to look for Lydia. But they can't get to the latter due to unforeseen circumstances.

    7. Why are Rosita and Eugene outside the walls fighting walkers?

    Rosita hears one walker banging its head against the walls and goes out to kill a few of them to blow off steam, apparently. But when a walker approaches her from behind, she has flashbacks of Dante attacking her, Coco crying and Walker Siddiq being all zombified, so she has a hard time getting rid of the walker. Eugene, who happens to be passing by, helps her. It is revealed that he intends to make Hilltop his home now. He kindly says condolences to Rosita, but he leaves a bit abruptly without offering her much else, seemingly leaving Rosita disappointed.

    8. Does Eugene have anymore contact with his new radio gal pal?

    No.

    9. What do Carol and Ezekiel talk about?

    Siddiq's death and the mission to find Alpha's horde. When Carol asks him if everything else is okay, he pauses and simply says "good luck". That's it.

    10. We see Daryl hugging Carol in the trailer. What are the circumstances surrounding that?

    Daryl being unhappy with Carol putting herself in danger over how much she wants Alpha dead. He tells her that she needs to try and talk to him about things, and to not let Alpha take away their future too.


    11. What's Alpha doing?


    Alpha shows herself to Carol and lures her towards what seems to be a cave. When everyone else follows her, they all fall inside to see a whole bunch of zombies in a sunken area, with no way out in sight. Whether Gamma led them there on purpose or not is not revealed, but there is someone watching them from behind the trees when they go to where she said the horde would be and argue over false information, with Aaron telling them that he still believes that Gamma told him the truth.

    12. Do we see Negan at all?

    Nope.

    13. What's happening at Oceanside?

    Apparently, there is someone who has been messing with the security system. This turns out to be Virgil trying to steal a boat to get back to his wife and children after having left his home looking for supplies.

    14. What is Virgilís story?

    When Luke, Michonne, Scott and Judith are on their way to Oceanside, Judith reveals that she has been writing down an account of everything that's happening in their lives, and Luke suggests that they stop at a library on the way to get some reference books for Judith. While at the library, he's attacked by two walkers and saved by a stranger. When they get to Oceanside, it turns out that this was Virgil, actually causing problems over there while saving Luke's life. Michonne questions him on where he lives, he tells her that he lives on an island two days away and that maybe they can help each other.

    15. Why does Michonne leave on a boat?

    It turns out that Virgil lives on a naval base, and he offers Michonne use of the weapons there in exchange for her taking him back home. Michonne tells him that the weapons will cover the damage he caused at Oceanside, and she has to take him home and bring the boat back to them. She explains to Judith that the weapons they have over there might be big enough to take out Alpha's horde once and for all and end the war. Judith agrees, and Michonne and Virgil take off.

    16. Is Beta in this episode?

    No.

    17. Who all dies?

    Dante and some walkers.

    18. Does anything else interesting happen?

    A few things:

    - We see how Alpha puts Dante up to the task of infiltrating Alexandria four months ago. We find out that he had a son who was killed by walkers. Alpha also specifically states that Lydia doesn't know Dante.

    - Gamma tells Aaron that the baby they rescued is her nephew. She tells him where she thinks the horde is with hopes of seeing the child in return for the intel.

    - Aaron and Gracie have a nice scene where Aaron tells her about some of his past experiences.

    - Dog isn't seen in this episode.

    - Judith has a bunch of scenes, and she actually stops Virgil from running away, earning a compliment from him on how good she is with the sword.

    - Rosita and Holy G have a bit of an argument that can be interpreted in two different ways: I think some will say that Gabriel is being dismissive (which is what Rosita thinks), and some will say that Rosita is overreacting to her encounter with the walkers by underestimating herself too much (which is what Gabriel thinks). But my opinion is that there is an explicit effort with the writing to make him come off as dismissive, and this combined with Eugene's sort-of-dismissal of Rosita makes me wonder if they are planning on taking the now-triangle of love in a different direction.

    19. How does the episode end?

    With the revelation of a whole damn zombie apocalypse of its own inside the cave.

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    Understood.

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    Sounds pretty good, I think, though I was expecting Daryl to be angry at Carol for "misplacing" Lydia.

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    hmphf.

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    Sounds like a great episode. I'm loving this season so far

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    I am still thinking of Virgil's Aeneid, and Michonne (possibly Judith) as Aeneas whose destiny was to build what would become the Roman Empire. I am very interested in seeing how they write her, and possibly Judith, out.
    The Carol/Daryl stuff sounds good.
    It doesn't sound as if Carol takes off willy nilly after Alpha.
    The cave full of walkers makes me think of something I saw on the web in which the natural cave formations in the US are shown to align with areas that have high numbers of missing persons.
    I'm ambivalent about Rosita, she wasn't exactly nice to Eugene, and now she needs him.

    I have to say, the first half has gone fast.

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    Wondering if Gabe consulted the council before stabbing Dante to death.

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    Low key wish we would've got the Negan-Alpha interaction from the comics in this episode being the mid season finale, but the episode seems like it can hold its own giving us the good moment for the premiere.

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    Hm, this mid-season finale doesn't focus on the characters I wanted to see continuations with

    After Gabriel and Rosita stab some karma into Dante and avenge Siddiq the rest of this midseason finale feels dull

    The 2nd half has to have Alpha's death, Michonne's real goodbye, Maggie, and more in it but it's clear we aren't getting to CommonWealth until late Season 11

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    So, this mid-season finale should go down as the least eventful MSF in series history (season 2 was the barn and Sophia; season 3 was Woodbury invasion; season 4 was final prison attack; season 5 was Beth's death; season 6 was Alexandria herd invasion; season 7 was Spencer's death and rebellion; season 8 was Alexandria bombing/Carl bite reveal; season 9 was Whisperers' true introduction). I like that Kang is telling a story regardless of premieres/finales, and we know there's a lot of big stuff coming up in the second half, but this is not an episode that will play well with the general audience.

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