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    What Did You Think of Season 10?

    And yes - before you say it, I know season 10 isn't quite done with yet! But I just wanted to give my thoughts on it, and the 16 episode run it was originally scheduled to be. Overall, I thought it was a bit disappointing, especially after season 9, which was one of the best. I enjoyed the first half of the season more than the second. I found that to be more scary, straightforward (in terms of plot) and had more intrigue, especially with the Gamma and Saddiq / Dante storylines.
    The second half of the season was definitely poorer. I didn't like the cave episode (thought it looked fake, too dark and was more boring than it should have been). Michonne's departure was a massive disappointment (the episode with Virgil), as was the season closer (why did no one other than Beta die?) and the episodes than meandered up to it. I did enjoy Alpha's final scenes, as well as ''Stalker,'' which was a fantastic episode, but found that much of the second part of the season was too character driven (and not in a particularly interesting way, it told us little that we didn't already know about their personalities).
    It had a lot to live up to after the previous season, but was a bit of a let down, and pales in comparison to many of the earlier seasons (other than 6-8).
    But what did you think?

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    I thought it was on of the best since the first 3 Seasons. Angela Kang is heads and tails better than Gimple.

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    I honestly can’t remember much of season 10 except for the finale. I haven’t watched the rest of the season since it aired. Michonne’s gone though so I’ll that’s a massive plus IMO.

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    My answer is pretty much the same as @Diseman81, I don't remember most of the season. I guess that means it didn't leave much of a lasting impression so it was definitely not as good as the earlier seasons.

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    Season 10 was a mixed bag for me. I do feel that Kang did a good job adapting the whisperers overall - they were much creepier and scary. But she kept the mistake of killing Alpha too soon so the ending was anticlimactic. Beta was creepy and scary, but he wasn't compelling as leader of the whisperers because he was just crazy and completely devoted to Alpha even after her death. There was no intriguing personal conflict for him because he fully believed the walkers were his guardians. Nor was there any kind of mission or goal for him outside of getting revenge for his Alpha being killed. We did get a bit of a confrontation between Lydia and Alpha, but all that build up with Carol was a waste of time because she ended up having Negan do the dirty work for her.

    Carol's entire arc this season was just a huge mess. Kang said after 9x16 that she intentionally regressed Carol's character - big mistake. Huge. Just when Carol became an interesting character who was finally moving forward from Gimple's misery porn arc, Kang decided to take her backwards and just do a condensed rehash of that. Pretty much all of Carol's season 10 arc correlates to her worst moments from previous seasons. Running away. Lying to her friends and family and trying to manipulate them. Causing innocent people to die. Putting everyone in even more danger by doing something stupid. And none of it actually helped the communities at all. Her moronic stunt with the single stick of sweaty dynamite in the cave didn't put a dent in Alpha's horde - she still had plenty of walkers left to decimate Hilltop. Letting Negan go resulted in multiple deaths at ASZ as well as him helping Alpha destroy Hilltop. Lying to and manipulating Lydia to try to use her to turn the whisperers against Alpha just led to her running away - and ultimately Alpha choosing to attack Hilltop because of the confrontation with Lydia. And killing Alpha before they had finalized the plan to eliminate the horde was just stupid. Basically, Kang just used Carol as a convenient plot device to force drama and danger. Very badly.

    The same is true for Negan - and that just adds to how ridiculously bad his so called "redemption" arc has been. Empty grand gestures are meaningless when they're constantly showing he has his own agenda to try and make the communities his slaves again. Dumbing down the other characters to try and force that redemption just makes it worse. The really should have just killed Negan off in 8x16.

    With Rick leaving in season 9 and Michonne leaving this season, I really did not expect there to be any major character deaths. I was actually surprised they killed Siddiq off. They've lost so many at this point, they really needed to start building up other characters instead of killing them off. I don't think just shifting the focus to Daryl and Carol will pay off in the long run - particularly with mischaracterization for Daryl and that massive regression for Carol. Most Daryl fans have been begging for them to put more focus on his other family relationships and to see more of Uncle Daryl with Judith and RJ - they're already disappointed at how little of that has been shown. The regression for Carol has just put even more people off her character in general. And just glossing over all of that in the finale with Carol facing no consequences for everything she did wrong will not help. At this point, it would be smarter to change things up and put more focus into building up other characters.

    Maybe Maggie's return will help with that. I did love those scenes in the finale. A bit brief, but with the bonus episodes, I hope that will lead to something really good. I have missed Maggie a lot this season. I'm also curious who the masked ninja is. I was thrilled to see that they confirmed Connie is alive in the finale and I can't wait to see what happens with her next. I'm really looking forward to her being reunited with her loved ones. I'm really liking Magna's group in the show - I wasn't sure if I would so it was a pleasant surprise how well they were adapted overall. So I'm probably about 50/50 with how I liked season 10 as a whole.

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    Both S9 and S10 were a welcome improvement and S9 was probably the best season since S5 without S10 shortly behind it

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    Michonne being gone is the best thing about the Season. Wish it would have happened a long time ago.
    Quote Originally Posted by Diseman81 View Post
    I honestly can’t remember much of season 10 except for the finale. I haven’t watched the rest of the season since it aired. Michonne’s gone though so I’ll that’s a massive plus IMO.

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    Glad a ton of other see it different than you. At least Carol is doing something even if it sucks she actually has a story. I guess to people like you that don't like Carol I get it. I know why you don't want Daryl to still be close with Carol. No matter what she will be the closet to her. I don't want him to be stuck with the Grimes kids. How boring would that be. Hell even Michonne and Rick were not stuck with the kids. This is all just my wrong opinion but it is my opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by meesha1971 View Post
    Season 10 was a mixed bag for me. I do feel that Kang did a good job adapting the whisperers overall - they were much creepier and scary. But she kept the mistake of killing Alpha too soon so the ending was anticlimactic. Beta was creepy and scary, but he wasn't compelling as leader of the whisperers because he was just crazy and completely devoted to Alpha even after her death. There was no intriguing personal conflict for him because he fully believed the walkers were his guardians. Nor was there any kind of mission or goal for him outside of getting revenge for his Alpha being killed. We did get a bit of a confrontation between Lydia and Alpha, but all that build up with Carol was a waste of time because she ended up having Negan do the dirty work for her.

    Carol's entire arc this season was just a huge mess. Kang said after 9x16 that she intentionally regressed Carol's character - big mistake. Huge. Just when Carol became an interesting character who was finally moving forward from Gimple's misery porn arc, Kang decided to take her backwards and just do a condensed rehash of that. Pretty much all of Carol's season 10 arc correlates to her worst moments from previous seasons. Running away. Lying to her friends and family and trying to manipulate them. Causing innocent people to die. Putting everyone in even more danger by doing something stupid. And none of it actually helped the communities at all. Her moronic stunt with the single stick of sweaty dynamite in the cave didn't put a dent in Alpha's horde - she still had plenty of walkers left to decimate Hilltop. Letting Negan go resulted in multiple deaths at ASZ as well as him helping Alpha destroy Hilltop. Lying to and manipulating Lydia to try to use her to turn the whisperers against Alpha just led to her running away - and ultimately Alpha choosing to attack Hilltop because of the confrontation with Lydia. And killing Alpha before they had finalized the plan to eliminate the horde was just stupid. Basically, Kang just used Carol as a convenient plot device to force drama and danger. Very badly.

    The same is true for Negan - and that just adds to how ridiculously bad his so called "redemption" arc has been. Empty grand gestures are meaningless when they're constantly showing he has his own agenda to try and make the communities his slaves again. Dumbing down the other characters to try and force that redemption just makes it worse. The really should have just killed Negan off in 8x16.

    With Rick leaving in season 9 and Michonne leaving this season, I really did not expect there to be any major character deaths. I was actually surprised they killed Siddiq off. They've lost so many at this point, they really needed to start building up other characters instead of killing them off. I don't think just shifting the focus to Daryl and Carol will pay off in the long run - particularly with mischaracterization for Daryl and that massive regression for Carol. Most Daryl fans have been begging for them to put more focus on his other family relationships and to see more of Uncle Daryl with Judith and RJ - they're already disappointed at how little of that has been shown. The regression for Carol has just put even more people off her character in general. And just glossing over all of that in the finale with Carol facing no consequences for everything she did wrong will not help. At this point, it would be smarter to change things up and put more focus into building up other characters.

    Maybe Maggie's return will help with that. I did love those scenes in the finale. A bit brief, but with the bonus episodes, I hope that will lead to something really good. I have missed Maggie a lot this season. I'm also curious who the masked ninja is. I was thrilled to see that they confirmed Connie is alive in the finale and I can't wait to see what happens with her next. I'm really looking forward to her being reunited with her loved ones. I'm really liking Magna's group in the show - I wasn't sure if I would so it was a pleasant surprise how well they were adapted overall. So I'm probably about 50/50 with how I liked season 10 as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia View Post
    Glad a ton of other see it different than you. At least Carol is doing something even if it sucks she actually has a story. I guess to people like you that don't like Carol I get it. I know why you don't want Daryl to still be close with Carol. No matter what she will be the closet to her. I don't want him to be stuck with the Grimes kids. How boring would that be. Hell even Michonne and Rick were not stuck with the kids. This is all just my wrong opinion but it is my opinion.

    And there are tons of people who are upset with how badly Kang ruined Carol as well. I'm not alone in being disappointed with her choice to regress Carol's character. Pouring gasoline on a fire is doing something, but it's still stupid because it only makes things worse. That is essentially what Carol did this season - she just continually made things worse because everything she did was the wrong choice and only served to antagonize Alpha or Beta. Carol had a good story going in seasons 8 and 9 - one where her character was finally moving forward and actually became an asset to the communities. Kang regressed her in 9x16 and made her a liability to the communities in season 10 because it was a convenient way to force the drama and cause Alpha - and then Beta - to attack the communities. That's just not good writing. There were better ways to create that drama without tossing Carol under the bus. It's not enough for Carol to just have a story - she always had a story. It needs to be a good story and season 10 just was not a good story for Carol.

    The issue is not Carol's friendship with Daryl - and I never said it was. Carol made all those terrible choices in spite of that friendship - not because of it. They are family and no matter how pissed off Daryl was at her for doing all these stupid things, she's still family. Daryl got pissed at Rick when he did stupid things too - they're still family. But the fact remains that Daryl's popularity primarily stems from his connection to his family as a whole - not just one person. The majority want to see more focus on that family dynamic and his relationship with the kids. That's not the same as being "stuck with the kids". Putting more focus on his relationship with Judith and RJ is a natural progression because he loves them and Michonne asked him to take care of them when she left for Oceanside - and she reaffirmed that with Judith when she decided to search for Rick. Uncle Daryl is in charge. Even Carol understood that Michonne left because she knew Daryl was there to take care of them in her absence. Daryl would still protect his family as a whole and go on missions or scavenge - just like Rick and Michonne did. And Barbara is still alive to babysit the kids when needed. Nobody is saying that Daryl should only be focused on the kids.

    Putting Daryl in a bubble where he only interacts with one member of his family and just abandons the rest would be boring simply because that's not who Daryl is - and that's not what made him a popular character in the first place. Even when Daryl spent 6 years in the woods searching for Rick, he maintained that connection with his family. He still visited them. They all knew exactly where he was and, if they needed him, he was there for them. That's what people love about Daryl - his family is his priority. Not just one person. Not just the kids. All of his family.

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    But Daryl wants it to be like it was back in the beginning with just a small group. Those words are from his mouth. And he does not need to be held back watching those kids. Carol is interesting to a lot of people. I for one love her for saving me from a terrible situation. Without her I would probably be dead. I am sure that would make a lot of people happy if she didn't save me. People still love Rick with all the bullshit he did but Carol nope can't enjoy her story at all. Season 8 and 9 to with my watch group was sucky because they hated Carol. She was boring and uninteresting. They were not thrilled about her this season but they understood why she did the things she did. As I did too. That is why I love this site we all have different views and takes on the show.
    Quote Originally Posted by meesha1971 View Post
    And there are tons of people who are upset with how badly Kang ruined Carol as well. I'm not alone in being disappointed with her choice to regress Carol's character. Pouring gasoline on a fire is doing something, but it's still stupid because it only makes things worse. That is essentially what Carol did this season - she just continually made things worse because everything she did was the wrong choice and only served to antagonize Alpha or Beta. Carol had a good story going in seasons 8 and 9 - one where her character was finally moving forward and actually became an asset to the communities. Kang regressed her in 9x16 and made her a liability to the communities in season 10 because it was a convenient way to force the drama and cause Alpha - and then Beta - to attack the communities. That's just not good writing. There were better ways to create that drama without tossing Carol under the bus. It's not enough for Carol to just have a story - she always had a story. It needs to be a good story and season 10 just was not a good story for Carol.

    The issue is not Carol's friendship with Daryl - and I never said it was. Carol made all those terrible choices in spite of that friendship - not because of it. They are family and no matter how pissed off Daryl was at her for doing all these stupid things, she's still family. Daryl got pissed at Rick when he did stupid things too - they're still family. But the fact remains that Daryl's popularity primarily stems from his connection to his family as a whole - not just one person. The majority want to see more focus on that family dynamic and his relationship with the kids. That's not the same as being "stuck with the kids". Putting more focus on his relationship with Judith and RJ is a natural progression because he loves them and Michonne asked him to take care of them when she left for Oceanside - and she reaffirmed that with Judith when she decided to search for Rick. Uncle Daryl is in charge. Even Carol understood that Michonne left because she knew Daryl was there to take care of them in her absence. Daryl would still protect his family as a whole and go on missions or scavenge - just like Rick and Michonne did. And Barbara is still alive to babysit the kids when needed. Nobody is saying that Daryl should only be focused on the kids.

    Putting Daryl in a bubble where he only interacts with one member of his family and just abandons the rest would be boring simply because that's not who Daryl is - and that's not what made him a popular character in the first place. Even when Daryl spent 6 years in the woods searching for Rick, he maintained that connection with his family. He still visited them. They all knew exactly where he was and, if they needed him, he was there for them. That's what people love about Daryl - his family is his priority. Not just one person. Not just the kids. All of his family.

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